Fewer Muni Stops

Dree's picture

Muni is the slowest bus system of any major city in the US. This contributes to the high cost of operating the system. One potential solution is to reduce the number and density of stops on some lines. I think a lot of SF residents would be willing to walk one extra block if it meant Muni ran much faster and cost less money to operate. If you've ever ridden the 5 or the 21 towards downtown, you know how ridiculous it is to have to stop at every block. Just reducing stops to every other block would make a huge difference. 

Eric Jaye's picture

Fewer is faster

Noticed the same thing on the 21 - two stops in one block. Many other stops one block apart. I thought the TEP - transit effectiveness project - was supposed to address issues like this. 

Seward's picture

What do you mean when you say

What do you mean when you say Muni is the slowest bus system? Where did you get that information? I think Muni, although still in need of improvement, has made great strides in the past five years in terms of efficient and timely service.

nblackburn's picture

Is it worth it?

According to this article, cutting down on stops would only save 3 million dollars, barely making a dent in the >50 million dollar deficit.

Juan Carlos Sanchez's picture

Less Stops - unless...

$3 million dollars is $3 million dollars less in the red. I agree that we need less stops. I take the 1 home after work and my commute would be cut dramatically if the bus stopped at every other block as oppose to every single block. I would, however, consider stopping at every stop where the street inclines enough to make it difficult - especially for a senior citizen - to climb.

Galomorro's picture

Fewer Stops are Good Exercise

I don't mind fewer stops myself because of the slow traffic. They stop to let people on and off, and then have to wait for the light before they pull out again, only to have to pull over again a block later. If buses are obliged to stop at every block it takes so long to get to one's destination, especially if you're traveling crosstown. For people who aren't disabled or seniors, keep in mind that walking that extra block is good exercise. I read someplace that people who take public transportation are more physically fit than people who insist on driving everywhere because of having to walk to and from their bus stops. I especially like those hybrid-electric buses (if indeed that's what they're called), like the 37 Corbett that eventually reaches the foot of Twin Peaks Park on Crestline. It can easily take all those tight curves as it winds uphill. I'd love to see some kind of scenic monorail system that soars over the traffic. Would the tourists ever love that...!

Phil Ting's picture

Fewer stops are a good idea

Fewer stops would help speed up MUNI and would also help reduce costs, but which stops to close.  People are fine shutting down stops as long as it is not theirs.  This is a similar problem to deciding which military bases to close.  Congress was fine with the idea unless it was a base in their district.  MUNI should put together a citizen committee to determine which MUNI stops to close.  It would be a long process but would help with the long term stability of the organization.

SpencerSF's picture

Fewer stops would be...

Perfectly fine in the flat(er) areas of San Francisco. I take the 2 or 3 home and pick it up at CitiGroup Center...and there are riders that get on to go 2 or 3 stops - that is 2 or 3 blocks! LAZY! And they clog and  already crowded bus for people who need to take it a longer distance.

Yes, we need to be mindful of hills and the disabled...


gcotter's picture

Eliminate the one in front of my house


Fewer stops does speed up service.  There have been studies and I don't recall the numbers but I do remember that the average speed as in Miles per Hour is slower in SF than many large cities.  I think this was reported in the news or by SPUR (I'll see if I can find the exact data.)

If you are looking for stops to eliminate, I happily offer the one in front of my house at 22nd St and Folsom.  I tried unsuccessfully for years working with SFMTA, Tom Ammiano's office etc to get it eliminated or moved from the NE corner to the SE corner.  No luck.  The stops for the 12 Folsom are every two block which is way too close together.

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